"This work has a way of shaping you—sometimes gently, sometimes like a storm. After 25 years in wilderness therapy, I’ve learned that staying grounded isn’t a luxury, it’s a necessity. In my conversation with Will White, I talk about the real behind-the-scenes of running a program, the founding and closing of Open Sky, and why finding joy and resilience in this field matters more than ever. Whether you’re leading a team or just finding your footing, I hope this conversation offers something real to hold onto."